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RESULTS OF INTERVIEW / FAMILY MEMBERS
HOUSE # 4

Haditha, March 29, 2006

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U.S. NAVAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE SERVICE

INVESTIGATIVE ACTION

01APRIL06

CONTROL: 13MAR06-MEBJ-0164-7HMA

RESULTS OF INTERVIEW / FAMILY MEMBERS OF HOUSE # 4

1. On 29Mar06, Reporting Agent (RA) interviewed six family members of houses # 3 and # 4. The six interviewees were related to the four brothers killed in house # 4, V/AHMED, Jamal Aiad, V/AHMED, Jasib Aiad V/AHMED, Marwan Aiad, abd V/AHMED, Khatan Aiad. The interviewees consisted of Aiad Ahmed HAMEED (father of four victims), Khadega Hassan AHMED (mother of the four victims), Yosef Aiad AHMED (brother to the four victims), RANA Sayhood ABID-AL-AZEEZ, (Yosef AHMED’s wife), Najla Abid-Al-Razak HAMAD (V/AHMED, Jamal’s wife), and Khaled Jamal AIAD (V/AHMED, Jamal’s son). Overall, the foregoing interviewee’s account of what occurred on 19Nov05 in houses # 3 and # 4 differ from S/WUTERICH’s, X/SALINAS’, and X/SHARRATT’s accounts. The interview was conducted in Arabic with the assistance of [name withheld] who provided the Arabic-English translation. The interview was conducted in the living room area of house # 4, Al Askari neighborhood, Haditha, Iraq.

2. Upon entering house # 4, was RA introduced to Yosef AHMED. Prior to asking any questions, RA presented her credentials, both verbally and by displaying them. Thereafter, RA explained the purpose of the unscheduled visit to house # 4. Yosef asserted that he was not present on 19Nov05 when the Marines came to his family’s household (i.e., houses # 3 and # 4); however, Yosef explained that his other family members (mother, father, sisters-in-law, nephew, and wife) had witnessed the events that preceded and/or followed the deaths of his four brothers. Yosef related that two of his sisters-in-law were not available for interviews: one had moved away (V/AHMED, Jasib’s wife) to live with her family, and the other (V/AHMED, Marwan’s wife) was too frightened by the presence of the Marine escorts to participate. Yosef added that his other family members would be willing to be interviewed but noted his father had recently experienced a stroke and was resting for the moment. At a later point during the interview, Yosef’s father, Aiad Ahmed HAMEED, joined the other interviewees in the living room and responded to the RA’s questions.

3. First, the interviewees provided the backgrounds of their four deceased family members. V/AHMED, Jamal was approximately 40 years old and was employed as a car dealer. At the time of the shootings, V/AHMED, Jamal, his wife, Najla, and his fourteen-year-old son, Khaled, resided at house # 3. V/AHMED, Jasib was approximately 29 years old and was a traffic police officer for the city of Haditha. V/AHMED, Marwan was approximately 28 years old and was also employed by the local Haditha government as an engineer. V/AHMED, Khatan was approximately 22 years old and worked in another city outside of Haditha.

4. Second, the interviewees were asked to provide the details of what occurred on 19Nov05 and reported the following:

a. House # 3: Najla reported that on 19Nov05 her husband, V/AHMED, Jamal, and her son, Khaled were at their residence, house # 3, when three Marines arrived. The Marines ordered them out of the house and yelled at them in Arabic: “Erhab” (terrorists), “Mujahedin” (insurgents) and “Qunbelah” (bombs). In response, the three family members repeatedly stated, “No.” Najla and Khaled noted the Marines instructed the three of them to put their hands behind their heads and face the window. V/AHMED, Jamal asked why his family needed to face away from them. Again, the Marines asked them about the bomb to which the family answered, “No”. In an attempt to prove his family had nothing to do with the IED explosion, V/AHMED, Jamal directed the Marines to a few of the windows of his house that were broken when the IED exploded earlier that morning. V/AHMED, Jamal informed the Marines that he and his family were also hurt/damaged by the explosion. Najla opined that the Marines appeared to be angry and repeatedly referred to the bomb while pointing in the direction of the explosion. When the Marines asked about who lived in house # 4, V/AHMED, Jamal explained it was his father’s home but they were all family, one household. Subsequently, the Marines ordered V/AHMED, Jamal, Najla, and Khaled to house # 4 and they complied. While they proceeded to house # 4, two Marines led them and one Marine walked behind them.

b. Positioned outside of house # 4: At this point during the interview, Najla led the interpreter out of the living room and showed him where the Marines had them wait outside. This was conducted within the RA’s view. The area Najla pointed out was located outside of house # 4, behind a wall that is positioned between the street and house # 4, near a patio.

c. House # 4: According to the interviewees, when the Marines approached house # 4, they ordered Jamal’s 76 year-old father, Aiad Ahmed HAMEED, and all the occupants of house # 4 (Aiad’s wife, the four deceased, their respective wives, Khaled, and an infant), to come outside. Once all of the family members were out in front of house # 4, the Marines divided them into two (2) lines, with the elderly father and four (4) women sitting in a row and the four (4) men and Khaled standing in a separate second row. While the family remained in two rows, the Marines questioned them about being terrorists, the IED explosion, and whether they had weapons. The interviewees acknowledged they could not understand everything the Marines were saying but were able to understand the foregoing accusations stated in Arabic. The family members noted that the Marines appeared to be angry. Specifically, the Marine that was carrying both a rifle and a pistol seemed to be very upset. The interviewees explained they formed this opinion because the Marine with the pistol would repeatedly rack his rifle in their direction when the family attempted to ask questions about what was happening. Khaled can speak some English and attempted to do so but the Marine with the pistol would respond by racking his weapon. While being questioned, one Marine entered house # 4. V/AHMED, Jasib attempted to inform the Marines that he was a police officer but they would not listen. V/AHMED, Marwan also tried to establish his innocence and show the Marines a badge provided to him by the USMC Civil Affairs Group (CAG). V/AHMED, Marwan had reportedly met with members of the CAG and had been cooperating with them. Per the CAG’s instruction, V/AHMED, Marwan was instructed to show the badge in the event U.S. military members approached and/or questioned him. [Name withheld], the translator, confirmed that members of the CAG had distributed such badges to local individuals such as V/AHMED, Marwan. [Name withheld] indicated he had direct knowledge of this due to his position as a translator.

d. AK-47s: While the family members were positioned in the two rows, the Marines asked them whether they had any weapons. V/AHMED, Jasib informed them of his AK-47 located in house # 4. (V/AHMED, Jasib was issued an AK-47 for his employment in law enforcement.) V/AHMED, Jamal also informed the Marines that he had an AK-47 in his home (house # 3). Consequently, one Marines went back with V/AHMED, Jamal to retrieve the AK-47, empty magazines, and five (5) rounds from house # 3. A Marine also accompanied V/AHMED, Jasib into house # 4 to obtain his weapon. After the Marines were shown the AK-47s, they maintained possession of them and slung them over their shoulders. During the interview, Aiad informed RA that he also owned an AK-47 but on 19Nov05, he did not inform the Marines of the weapon’s existence. Aiad explained that his weapon was locked inside house # 4 and that he had the only key, noting that no one else had access to his AK-47. Aiad’s AK-47 remained locked in place until the Marines returned to his house several days after 19Nov05 when Aiad voluntarily released the weapon to them. [Name withheld], the translator, confirmed Aiad’s account, as [name withheld] had translated for the Marines that went to house # 4 and took Aiad’s AK-47 in the days that followed 19Nov05.

e. DIVISION of the FAMILY: As noted above, while assembled into two rows outside of house # 4, the interviewees first watched one Marine enter house # 4. Thereafter, when the Marine returned from being inside house # 4, he took another Marine with him and re-entered house # 4. They left one Marine to guard the family members outside at gunpoint. Through the window, Najla could see the two Marines talking and pointing their fingers. Najla speculated that the two Marines appeared to be making a plan or deciding what to do next. When the two Marines exited house # 4, they spoke with the Marine that had remained behind. Immediately thereafter, a Marine pointed his gun at the women and Aiad using it to direct them over to and inside house # 3. Najla pleaded for her son, Khaled, and the Marines allowed him to go with her. The Marines also instructed V/AHMED, Khatan to hand over the infant he was holding to V/AHMED Jasib’s wife. The family members asked the Marines why they were splitting them up, and the Marines responded by pointing one finger in the air. The family members took this to mean one (1) question needed to be asked. While they were being divided and placed in house # 3, the women started to scream because they feared they were going to be killed.

f. GUNFIRE: Najla stated while inside house # 3, she tried to open the door several times. The first time, she asked the Marine standing guard what was happening to their men. The Marine told her to “shut the door”. The second time Najla opened the door and asked the Marine the same question but he responded by breaking the window near the door she had opened with the butt of his weapon and instructed her to stay inside. (RA asked if the window was still broken and Najla said they had since replaced it.) Subsequently, Najla and the other women heard muffled gunfire. At this point, Najla opened the door for the third time and heard four (4) distinct gunshots. When she opened the door for the last and fourth time, Najla observed that the Marine standing guard had left and saw the Marines running down the street. Najla and other family members ran to house # 4.

g. AFTER the SHOOTING: When they reached house # 4, the family members discovered the four deceased in one of the back bedrooms. V/AHMED, Jasib was found nearest to the bedroom door. V/AHMED, Marwan was observed inside the closet, sitting with his legs out and his head titled to the left against the inside of the closet panel. V/AHMED, Khatan was seen next to V/AHMED, Marwan but his head was resting on one of the closed panel/closet doors. V/AHMED, Jamal was the furthest from the door but near V/AHMED, Marwan. Upon seeing her husband and brother-in-law’s dead bodies, Najla decided to run to her brother-in-law, Yosef Aiad AHMED’s house for help. Shortly thereafter, Najla ran back toward house # 4 with Yosef and his wife, Rana. However, an ISF member stopped them before they reached house # 4 and explained that the Marines would shoot them if they continued to run. At this point, the Marines approached Yosef, handcuffed him, and detained him for questioning. Nevertheless, Rana and Najla continued toward house # 4. When they reached house # 4 at approximately 1000, Rana saw the bodies in the same positioning as described above and started screaming. Rana immediately thought about her husband and left house # 4 to look for him. Rana found an ISF member and asked him about her husband, Yosef. Rana explained that she was screaming at the ISF member and he told her to leave or a Marine would shoot her. Rana heeded his advice, and went home to change her clothing. Around 1500 Rana returned to house # 4 and recalled moving the bodies, with the assistance of her father-in-law, Aiad. They aligned the bodies two by two on the carpet of the back room where their bodies were found and covered them with sheets.

h. BDA: The interviewees confirmed that some time later, the Marines came to house # 4 again, took photographs of the four dead brothers, and removed their bodies in bags. While this occurred, Khadega (mother of the four deceased) asserted the Marines laughed and put cigarettes out on her carpets/floors. Khadega noted she was very upset by how the Marines were acting in her home and toward her dead sons. The interviewees also recalled seeing two different sizes of spent shell casings around their deceased family members’ bodies. Khaled recalled picking up two of the small shell casings and four of the larger. Najla recalled picking up one shell casing and Yosef recalled finding four shell casings; however the family was afraid to keep them so they threw them away. The family members noted the individuals hired to clean house # 4 may have kept some of the shell casings. Therefore, they intended to ask the cleaners and provide such casings to RA in the event any were located. When asked of Yosef’s detainment, the interviewees explained that eventually Yosef was released. Yosef explained that after the shootings, he decided to move in with his parents to care for them. After 19Nov05, the family members continued to dwell in house # 4, approximately a week or two later. Currently, the family members now occupy both houses # 3 and # 4.

5. Third, several attempts were made to obtain the family’s consent to exhume the four deceased brothers’ remains. The family adamantly opposed an exhumation. Khadega exclaimed that she would rather die than have her sons’ remains dug up. The family members related that they want to cooperate with the investigation and would in every way except for an exhumation. Yosef asserted that he considered his brothers’ remains sacred and that they had to consider his brothers’ families as well. Yosef related that they were happy to learn the Marines may be prosecuted and his family wanted them to be punished; however, he noted it would be like killing him and rest of his family if their remains were removed from the ground. Yosef feared his father would have another stroke. Thereafter, the family members questioned why the holes in their home’s walls, the shot/broken window in the back bedroom where the deceased were found, the shell casings they saw near the bodies, and their accounts of what occurred would not be enough to prosecute the Marines. RA acknowledged their viewpoint; however, repeatedly explained the evidentiary value of the deceased’s remains. In turn, Khadega and Yosef announced they would rather forgive the Marines than endure the pain that would be caused by digging up their loved ones’ bodies.

6. Finally, RA informed Yosef and Aiad that they would be compensated for the damages the team of agents caused to their home by marking their walls, digging out bullet casings from their walls, and removing a closet panel. Yosef adamantly refused any compensation and stated his family would pay for the reconstruction. RA informed Yosef that U.S. compensation was mandatory and thanked the family members for their time and cooperation. Thereafter, the interview was terminated.

REPORTED BY:  Nayda M. Mannle, Special Agent

OFFICE: NCISHQ 0023

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